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Danielle Groves
Danielle Groves 6 horas atrás
When she says "What was fashionable in one country doesn't mean it's fashionable in another" (Bad at paraphrasing) Did anyone else think of Henry the 8th poor Germanic wife. Or how Queen Elizabeth 1 made a law that every 'unfashionable (poor)' person must wear a wool hat on sundays...No I am the only one with Tudor's on the brain ok sorry lol.
aaron helton
aaron helton 2 dias atrás
'Deborah what are you wearing?"
Sarah Bent
Sarah Bent 2 dias atrás
Re: wearing vintage clothes. The other reason that it wasn't common in the past was because of the habit of doing over dresses, and having a valid way to sell your clothes on. Therefore there weren't a lot of vintage clothes sitting around waiting to be bought and worn.
Con Lon
Con Lon 5 dias atrás
Cool I love it really so much you are so amazing
Sarah Holley
Sarah Holley 7 dias atrás
is that Debussy in the background i hear?
Loren Wood
Loren Wood 8 dias atrás
It’s a shame you didn’t mention anything about men’s fashion
Staci Lyn
Staci Lyn 10 dias atrás
ah the lipstick smudge of knowledge
sergeigen1
sergeigen1 13 dias atrás
This whole video, she is just describing tokyo
Alejandra Pinto
Alejandra Pinto 14 dias atrás
How insane is it that poor people back then could afford to follow fashion somehow yet poor people today can barely afford getting dressed at all
Naturallyashley86
Naturallyashley86 14 dias atrás
"Debrah what are you wearing?" LOL
Catherine DePrez
Catherine DePrez 15 dias atrás
"No matter what women do, there would always be someone criticizing it" ^ Oh look, things that seem to stay the same forever... Love Karolina's look for this video though! You've Got It Meme Mom!
Sayuri Rimal
Sayuri Rimal 16 dias atrás
You are a goddess!!!!
Jody Diou
Jody Diou 17 dias atrás
🤣🤣🤣5:20
Liam Wiesenberger
Liam Wiesenberger 23 dias atrás
did mens fashion follow a similar timeline as womens fashion in this regard?
Skirted Galleons
Skirted Galleons 29 dias atrás
"Debra, what are you wearing?" lololol Excellent video, thanks!
Maira Bay
Maira Bay 29 dias atrás
Having grown up in the 90s, I kind of disagree with the idea that people nowadays dress "historically accurate" clothes from the recent decades. I can't speak for other decades, but *I cringe* when I see kids these days saying they are dressing "grunge style" while wearing torn skinny pants and a fitted top underneath a flannel shirt. In the 90s everybody wore baggy clothes: baggy jeans, lose-fitting shirts, baggy shorts, etc. I know because I was there. I hung out with a lot of punk and skateboarding crowd, and I can tell you, there was nothing thight fitting about that fashion. Everything was big and baggy!
Jana Ville
Jana Ville Mês atrás
I'd love to see a video about the people who changed the course of fashion!!
jenniewilliamsmural
I was one of those 1970s vintage loving freaks. My grandmother was appalled, esp with my choice of black - the color of old age and mourning. You are a Bomblette. Warmest regards Jennie
Andrew Smith
Andrew Smith Mês atrás
I just never try to be fashionable. I realised my favourite outfit is a singlet with a waistcoat. Is it fashionable? No. I look like a circus employee but I love it.
Irene Minel
Irene Minel Mês atrás
The novel that you talk about "The Age of Innocence", was adapted to film by Martin Scorsese. I know nothing about historical accuracy, but the movie is beautifully done. If you haven't seen it, I truly recommend it.
thedemonnemo
thedemonnemo Mês atrás
The term boobage in a Polish accent is truely "wspaniały"!
cookablecookie
cookablecookie Mês atrás
Karolina: "if something as small as a wardrobe malfunction could kill your social life..." Janet Jackson: *glares*
Christian Ureña
Christian Ureña Mês atrás
I was so focused paying attention to Karolina until I saw the caption of the video and laugh so hard I missed like 5 entire minutes
The Noobest Girl
The Noobest Girl Mês atrás
Some French aristocrat: Debra what are you wearing?! 😱🤢 Debra, just doing her thing: 🤟👁️👄👁️🖕
Nedislava Degrade
Nedislava Degrade Mês atrás
Oh, Deborah...you're disgusting! :D
Jalabeaños Edits
Jalabeaños Edits Mês atrás
You teach me better than my history teacher lmao
FannomacritaireSuomi
The beginning of the video would be very accurate for languages too. The high status people had to learn Greek and Latin, meanwhile the rest could stick to their maternal language, there was hella lot of linguistic variety in Europe back then but from the 19th century on it became more apparent that a nation should opt for one language only. And thus we lost all of the basic pillars of language, architecture, fashion, art... Pretty much the entire culture. Sorry for interrupting tho.
Black Rose
Black Rose Mês atrás
Fashionable sounds like it means trendy by when you said "you would adjust the skirt to make it more fashionable"
Ewcix
Ewcix Mês atrás
Powiedziałaś, że szczególnie w XIXw. istotne było przestrzeganie etykiety. Czy to znaczy, ze wcześniej nie aż tak? Przy okazji- czy sa jakieś interesujące lektury poruszające ten temat?
Sigourney Di Blasi
Sigourney Di Blasi Mês atrás
I'm going to share my little knowledge about this. I'm from a small kingdom part of Spanish kingdom. Until some decades ago, what people could were was ruled by Petrucios (old people of the village). It's a very populated area, with loads of water, so there are small villages all around. Until the war (Spanish civil war 1936-1939) only burguesy and nobles wore 'á la mode' fashion, villagers and peasants wore the same thing that kind of people wore in XVI century, only with very small details changing like some accesories. In fact, their earrings were the same style as they were in medieval times, and some even older to that. It's somehow the same silhouette and paesant fashion as in all Europe (skirts tied to the waist to help the weight and to occult the pregnancy, linen and hemp shirts, wool panties, some form of stays) what make the difference was the upper graments (on my parts they used to wear a capelette crossed in the front, on top of the 'justillo', while in other parts of Europe they wore a more 'external' vest on top of the vest).
reallifelove
reallifelove Mês atrás
and here we are in COVID times when there is no use for fashion at all, and the last video I watched was literally titled "I put on pants today la la la" (credit to Julie Nolke). Oh and God forbid we blend in, that would spread pandemic (what was that about the tiniest speck ruining someone's life?)
Matxalen C
Matxalen C Mês atrás
When you say "adjust the skirt," would they cut the fabric out or leave it in for easier adjustments for later?
my. dumpling
my. dumpling Mês atrás
reagency ladies where history bounding 2 centuries ago
The weirdly friendly Mushroom
"Before of that you would wear so many pigeons out of nowhere" Now this is a fashion world I want to see
Eric Velez
Eric Velez Mês atrás
Yea! What is Deborah wearing? I’m glad someone finally said it.
Benjamin Acuna
Benjamin Acuna Mês atrás
Regional fashions and trends have always been fascinating and the idea of keeping regional fashion seems to be making a resurgence like the rise in “street” fashion becoming more and more trendy
Amour Toujours
Amour Toujours Mês atrás
My fashion style is me. A melange of so many different styles. Some days I feel goth. Some days, bohemian. Some days, chic. Other days, girl next door. And sometimes sporty. Classique. All labels labels labels. Which have no use since I don't plan to put myself in a box.
FilbieTron
FilbieTron Mês atrás
Can you talk about historial androgynous fashion or mens' fashion??
ioan jones
ioan jones Mês atrás
Debra...WHAT ARE YOU WEARING?!?!
agcupcakestudioss
agcupcakestudioss Mês atrás
Biba brought a deco revival in the 70s with 30s and sometimes 20 and 40s clothes and Pamela Des barres and music groupies were doing vintage styles inn the 60s because they were more feminine and luxurious and delicate than the styles of the time but they also maintained a modern siliuette
True Course
True Course Mês atrás
Thank you for existing. Dzienkuje
Oded Kedem
Oded Kedem Mês atrás
Regarding wearing old stuff: it was a general trend, that whatever had been fashionable for the elite had BECOME fashionable for the commons about a generation later. For example, take the traditional clothing of the ULTRA-orthodox Jews for the past 350~400 years (or so) - ORIGINALLY, it was the dressing of the Polish nobility, the Szlachta, in around 1,600 (or so?) I think - and, a few decades afterwards, once they had already pretty much abandoned it, perhaps? (not so sure about it...), the Jews at Poland-Lithuania took it and made it their own style.
LadyNikitaShark
LadyNikitaShark Mês atrás
The dean of the uni I went was an historian and made obligatory for all degrees to have two semesters of history, one for world history and one for the history of the degree a person is specializing in. This video just reminds me of him lol
Ed Livingston
Ed Livingston Mês atrás
U R very pretty!
Miranda Khoury
Miranda Khoury 2 meses atrás
"The Age of Innocence" by Edith Wharton is such a good book! cool that you're reading it
Stephanie SLC84 Cobban
Stephanie SLC84 Cobban 2 meses atrás
I so enjoy your content 🙏 Thank you for creating 💜
Dana Capponi
Dana Capponi 2 meses atrás
2:02 worry not, this can still be achieved by wearing a cool fit and visiting your parents
Jo Lilly
Jo Lilly 2 meses atrás
day one of asking for a video about old costumes and dressing up (halloween etc.)
Jo Lilly
Jo Lilly 2 meses atrás
"suddenly the teenagers were fashionable and everyone else felt left behind because they didn't belong to the secret fashion club" ... *painful memories Karolina?"*
Jo Lilly
Jo Lilly 2 meses atrás
"debora what are you wearing" lmaooo
Mark Hines
Mark Hines 2 meses atrás
You're beautiful carolina, are youarried?
Fredrika Jacobsson
Fredrika Jacobsson 2 meses atrás
Back then the drive to update your wardrobe and adhere to current fashion trends was mainly rooted in the desire to conform to civil society and secure your place in it. In those days your appearance suggested a great deal about your character and certainly played a role in where you'd end up in the world, especially as a female. We still see these cultural attitudes echoed in modern society today.
clairvaux
clairvaux 2 meses atrás
"No matter what women did, there would be someone criticising them." Everyone felt that. Shoutout to the boys who would go "does she think she's going on a fashion show?" when I dressed nice and the boys who would chastise me like "why do you always wear so short?" when I dressed like a slob. They're the sort of people whom if I found fallen into a ditch, I would not help them up 😌
pianobooks42
pianobooks42 2 meses atrás
This is super helpful for me as an author/illustrator! I definitely didn’t understand the different meaning of fashion and wrote inaccurate character choices based on that. Thanks for explaining this clearly!
glypnir
glypnir 2 meses atrás
I think the basic imperatives of fashion are still the same. It seems to me that the biggest modern difference is that clothes are so much cheaper to make, so there are just so many options. People used to have very few sets of clothes, so they had to select very conservatively. Now it’s like, whatever dude.
glypnir
glypnir 2 meses atrás
@Countries To Go I agree that we should pay the people who make our clothes a livable wage and decent working hours. But I think that there are huge amounts of automation for much of the construction of clothes. Almost no one is planting, picking, cleaning, dyeing, spinning, weaving, or embroidering cotton by hand. Processing of other natural fibers is similarly automated, and synthetic fibers are even easier. Much cutting is now done automatically, and some sewing. Certainly very little sewing is done by hand - it's all done with sewing machines. Same for knitting, although it's a hobby for some. Women used to spend much or their time on many of these tasks everywhere, and produce much less.
Countries To Go
Countries To Go 2 meses atrás
It would actually cost almost the same now as it did back then if we paid the people who made our clothes a livable wage and decent working hours.
kristinheatherstar
kristinheatherstar 2 meses atrás
It’s yet another distraction for women. Like being shaved from eyelashes down, annoying! Cute content...
Kelly Bromfield
Kelly Bromfield 2 meses atrás
"I love fashion history!" - me laying on my couch in leggings and a giant sweatshirt knowing that I have worn "public" clothing less than 15 times since March. Thanks COVID.
Frat Guide
Frat Guide 2 meses atrás
I like that Karolina is a Fashionable Historian as well as a Fashion Historian. I like that these videos ask us to think critically about the past and remove our assumptions
David Pavlas
David Pavlas 2 meses atrás
*DEBORAH, WHAT ARE YOU WEARING?!*
The Hardins
The Hardins 2 meses atrás
Midevil royalties way of preventing someone from wearing the same dress as them.
littlepinkskeleton
littlepinkskeleton 2 meses atrás
Does anyone know the origin of the red dress shown at 9:18? Or at least what I should Google so I can save the picture?
Demera
Demera 2 meses atrás
You know, this video convinced me that being fashionable isn’t a modern concept at all 😅
Bubbly Emma
Bubbly Emma 2 meses atrás
I looove these historic videos
Tania Perez
Tania Perez 2 meses atrás
DEBRA WHAT ARE YOU WEARING
slappy burrito
slappy burrito 2 meses atrás
pesky intrusive pigeons
Carol Koski
Carol Koski 2 meses atrás
4:00 Karolina talking about how poor people could be fashionable AND not spend money doing so by fixing and adjusting their old dresses is one of the many reasons why I don't like the new Little Women movie. The book has entire PASSAGES about them fixing their old dresses, about Meg adjusting her plain dress to wear it for parties she would go to but noooo let's get them a new dress for every day of the week no one will notice
thirty someting mama thirty something mama
PREACH!! Karolinko:)
Alex B
Alex B 2 meses atrás
dEbOrAh WhAt ArE yOu WeArInG?!?!?!?!
Restless Bear
Restless Bear 2 meses atrás
I am a woman. I guess I don’t really wear vintage. Or do I? Since I wear men’s vintage clothing and it’s modern for women to wear masculine clothing? I’m a bit confused lmao.
Mindy Moyer
Mindy Moyer 2 meses atrás
I love you outfit!! Yellow looks great on you!
Axel Lisenstain
Axel Lisenstain 2 meses atrás
Here's me before starting the vid: wasn't most of humanity poor af for the longest time and that's pretty all that's about to be said?
Axel Lisenstain
Axel Lisenstain 2 meses atrás
And finally here's me after the vid: yeah I'm a fool, fascinating stuff as always. There's plenty of places where you can feel the echoes of that mentality though, the corporate culture of looking sameish to everyone else but not outdated comes to mind.
Axel Lisenstain
Axel Lisenstain 2 meses atrás
Here's me in the middle of the vid: boobage
Valerie Vivian
Valerie Vivian 2 meses atrás
Another reason for older women not bothering with fashion, according to my 80+ year old grandma: "I'm so old, who is going to dare scold me for not being fashionable?" Her entire wardrobe is baggy blouses and long, baggy pants, 100% Chinese grandma who ran out of fucks to give in her 60s and hasn't recovered them since.
Julia Wilson
Julia Wilson 2 meses atrás
this is fascinating because similarly with furniture and architecture, "trends" didn't really become super popular until the middle class gained more ground and demanded status among the aristocrats. and also similarly - furniture/interior designs looked back on notable styles such as the renaissance, grecian, rococo, etc too when manufacturing and the industrial revolution (circa mid 19th century) came around, anywho, food for thought
Artemis Rosewood
Artemis Rosewood 2 meses atrás
thank u for this vid!!! i rlly enjoyed watching it
greenghost2008_Progressive
Aunt vibes
Mikaela
Mikaela 2 meses atrás
can we get a room tour of ur beautifully antique/vintage bedroom?
piece of shit
piece of shit 2 meses atrás
Your outfit is like candy to my eyes Yellow is amazing
Kimberly Perrotis
Kimberly Perrotis 2 meses atrás
Make a new film: Deborah and Karolina, fashion-savvy time travellers.
Kimberly Perrotis
Kimberly Perrotis 2 meses atrás
I think the reason older women (like me, 60), have generally tended to wear outdated fashions is that we cling to the look of the era where we feel we were at our best. Like today, it’s almost impossible to get women, say 50 and up, to try any current cut of jeans or trousers, they insist on skin-tight skinnies and nothing else. Skinnies were in style for almost 20 years, when we were in our 30s-40s. Personally, I couldn’t wait to get into the new, looser styles, but they sell out overnight! I finally got a pair of girlfriends, then I went back to order a second wash an hour later, and every color and size were sold out. But, it’s younger women who are buying them, mostly.
Kimberly Perrotis
Kimberly Perrotis 2 meses atrás
What the 99% got to wear throughout most of European history: coarse-woven wool, brown or gray. This is even before linen undergarments were widely worn. If you bought a new dress, or “suit” of clothes for men every year, your local lord would raise your taxes or throw you in his dungeon, and your community would accuse you of getting the money for it through: witchcraft, prostitution, theft, etc. 2020 might suck, but a lot of things are better - dental anesthetics for one.
Paulina S
Paulina S 3 meses atrás
D e B R a W A T A r E Y o U W e A R i N G ! ?
Alice State
Alice State 3 meses atrás
Karolina, or anyone in the know, I wonder if in past eras ‘wearing vintage’ was a thing. If you wanted to, for personal stylistic purposes, could a girl (with money, I suppose) in the 1890s, for example, choose to wear a dress from the 1860s? Or earlier? Such as how we now in the twenty first century wear vintage from past eras?
Crowfaerylaura
Crowfaerylaura 3 meses atrás
Really fascinating to learn! Thanks!
Ariel Pippin
Ariel Pippin 3 meses atrás
Anyone have any *podcast* suggestions that talk about historical fashion or renaissance history?
Rylin Mariel
Rylin Mariel 3 meses atrás
Some more detailed trivia about sumptuary laws throughout history: The earliest sumptuary laws known historically were from the 7th century BC in Greece. This code (written by Zaleucus, who was the Greek lawgiver of Epizephyrian Locri), had to be at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek: "A free-born woman may not be accompanied by more than one female slave, unless she is drunk; she may not leave the city during the night, unless she is planning to commit adultery; she may not wear gold jewelry or a garment with a purple border, unless she is a courtesan; and a husband may not wear a gold-studded ring or a cloak of Milesian fashion unless he is bent upon prostitution or adultery." In other words, you were not to violate these laws unless you were someone who would be considered reprehensible by the rest of society! In the early years of the Roman Empire, the "Sumptuariae Leges" forbade the wearing of silk, and the use of Tyrian Purple dye on your clothing, among other restrictions (One common misconception, when people mention that royal purple is outlawed except for the regents of a land, or in popular depictions in (relatively more) modern artwork depicting royalty, concerns what color is meant when people say "royal purple". It is frequently depicted as a true chromatic purple - ie, the same color as a violet (flower). In fact, Tyrian Purple was more a reddish purple shade. other sumptuary laws followed. Laws were passed that listed how many different colors could be worn by members of different social classes: peasants could wear one color, soldiers in the army could wear two colors, army officers could wear three colors, and members of the royal family could wear seven colors. It was not until the 1300s, when national governments had been established in France and England and city-states formed in Italy, that sumptuary laws appear in any number in the rest of Europe. In 1322 Florence forbade the wearing of silk and scarlet cloth by its citizens outside their houses. In 1366 Perugia banned the wearing of velvet, silk, and satin within its boundaries. A Statute Concerning Diet and Apparel was a sumptuary law introduced by the Parliament of England in 1363. It was enacted to was combat a growing trend among non-aristocracy, triggered by the sudden increase in personal wealth which followed the Black Death, the consolidation of property, because of the decrease in population and the rise in wages which liberated many formerly bonded labourers. In 1574 Queen Elizabeth I enforced some new Sumptuary Laws called the "Statutes of Apparel", which dictated what color and type of clothing individuals were allowed to own and wear - an easy and obvious way, of course, to identify rank and privilege. By the early 1500's France, Holland and Germany had begun growing dye plants as an industry - contributing to the "unnecessary foreign wares" Elizabeth objected to being imported to England, which was one of the reasons she gave for her Sumptuary Law. Some other words and terms she used included "excess", "superfluity", "extremity", "manifest decay", "vain devices", "unlawful acts", and "decay of the wealth of the realm". Gold, silver, scarlet, indigo, violet, black, pure white and bright yellow were only for the highest nobility, and they were allowed to wear silk, fur, velvet and lace. The lower classes could wear pale yellow, russet, orange, green, pale blue, pink, and off-white, and only in fabrics of broadcloth, linen, cotton and wool.
Paulina Blanquel
Paulina Blanquel 3 meses atrás
H... Hello, fair lady. I think your videos are amazing, have you ever talked about imperial Russia? I wonder if Deborah would be as bullied in Moscow as she is in Paris, but that´s the thing, I think the only idea of that time I have is the movie Anastasia (1997.... i apologize in advance lol)
888goober888
888goober888 3 meses atrás
what song is that in the background at around 5:30
Madeleine Farley
Madeleine Farley 3 meses atrás
I know there's tons of historical fiction content out there, but I really hope you're able to see The Queen's Gambit! Super lush and interesting 1950s-1960s fashion. And though my eye is not 100% trained it all seems fairly accurate and drawn directly from the period without completely falling into tropes. Plus! Repeated outfits! Would love to hear your thoughts on it.
Mary M
Mary M 3 meses atrás
"Her dress slipped off her shoulders a little bit..." CANCELED!!!
Victoria
Victoria 3 meses atrás
I never really thought about how now days fashion is made by and for young people. A lot of things start to make more sense when you realize it. Great video!!!
iTFNA07
iTFNA07 3 meses atrás
I may be wrong but... Were you Marie Curie in the Wired Autocomplete Interview?
Jane Baker
Jane Baker 3 meses atrás
Loooooove this❤️❤️❤️
Qwerty Pettra
Qwerty Pettra 3 meses atrás
Debra what are you wearing?!
brokatt msp
brokatt msp 3 meses atrás
Omfg she is polish but her accent is soooo good , like i am also from Poland but my accent is like RRRR ( if u are polish u know what i am talking about)
Sam1996
Sam1996 3 meses atrás
Search the "Esquilache riots" that occured in Spain in late XVIII century because the government banned long capes and wide hats
scraperindustry
scraperindustry 3 meses atrás
"Oh my god, so many pigeons out of nowhere.."
scraperindustry
scraperindustry 3 meses atrás
I love your videos!
FANCY G-P
FANCY G-P 3 meses atrás
Was it true that people never wore the same dress twice?
FANCY G-P
FANCY G-P 3 meses atrás
From what I've seen Marie Antoinette was the first fashion icon, we will never know her but she did do something if we still talk about her today Also I think givenchi? Did a fashion like inspired by her style so that adds about 30 years at least
Lillian Marshall
Lillian Marshall 3 meses atrás
Could you do like a lecture on historical fashion lmao I really want to learn exactly what fashion looked like.
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