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The part where she said its a symbol of repression tho, you took it out of context:(( she said "it is a symbol of repression to those WHO ARE FORCED to wear it" and then continues on by saying how she chooses to wear it and how it helps with her stuffing her money in the corset(which someone said that in the books, she put more things and how the corset was a useful thing) they prolly only put the money to symbolize the scenes in the book
And the question is , Why does it always has to be historically accurate? At the end of the day is not a documentary. it's just a fictional story. inaccuracies are repeated in many movies. That means the people behind the screen has asked themselves that question and they have gotten to the conclusion that its not a priority for the industry, cause many of those movies with inaccuracies have won prizes for their job. Even Oscars. So...
@Nicole Stanhope The movie is not set in 1900, even though the Movie showed 1884 at the the beginning of the movie, making it seem she was born that year which might made it confusing. If you look closely at the newspaper Enola was reading about the reform bill when she was at the finishing school you will notice the date 1884 put at the top of the newspaper. Also in 1884 there was a reform bill singed called the Representation of the People Act, which also made me think it was in 1884. If you look up when the movie is set, most sources say it’s set in 1884, including the one yeeaahhzz posted
So what we've finally figured out is that this movie takes place anywhere from the 1870s-1900s, which is a confusing time period, but at least we can mostly narrow it down.
ohohohohhhhh it gAVE HER MORE TROUBLE BECAUSE SHE DIDNT WANT TO WEAR IT! "Corsets are a form of oppression for those who are forced to wear them" it makes sense
I just realized something... Some of the folks in old photographs could have been dressing vintage like we do today, and not fit the year/decade it is from...
I'm hesitant to give the costume designers too much credit, but... what if they were under the impression that rich people, Old Money, would wear older fashions.
OK I'm late to the party but the film is based on a series of books (which are really good btw) which are set in 1888-1889. But at the beginning of the film it says she was born in 1884??? The timeline is A MESS. edit: ALSO the widow outfit would be in an earlier decade in the context of the books because it was her mother's mourning dress from when her father died. In the books, he died when she was 4 (I think they kept it the same for the film??? I don't know if they ever *said* when the father died) and when Enola runs away, she borrows some of her mother's clothes that she had left behind, particularly the mourning dress.
when she struggle with her corset i literally saying "oh she's gonna find you girl..." you're like Voldemort for historical innacuracy:v i like how Enola add "only for those who forced to wear it" tho. Really dodging the cliche bullet there
i would die for a historical fashion youtuber to talk about the books series this was based on. they were some of my favorites, and spent a lot of time talking about the fashion. i desperately want to know how accurate they are
I believe the movie is set in 1890's/1900 because at the beginning of the movie, when Enola explains "I was named Enola" bla bla bla, a piece of paper is shown where you can read 1884 (Implying -I believe- that she was born that year). Since the events happen right after she turns 16, It should be the year 1900. So... that's that. I love your reviews :D
Lol imagine in a couple hundred years there’s a movie set in the 2020s and a fashion historian saying things like “No, moustaches and galaxy print is mid 2010s, you can’t mix it up with low rise jeans from the early 2000s what is this madness!”
The stiffly shaped dress for the headmaster makes sense for the character since it reflects her overall stiffness. It may be in the wrong century but filmography wise the choice makes perfect sense. Imagine the stiff old lady in a curvy dress The red dress looks like something the prostitutes from that party island in Pirates of the Caribbean would wear lmao
I imagine many of the costumes - not on the main characters necessarily - but others- are from costume rental houses. I worked on Hollywood feature films for years - in the art department and used to cringe when these types of videos would come out. We always did the best we could with the money and time we had to create everything... not to mention the influence of the production designer, director and producers. So go easy on the wardrobe department here... and save all of your criticism for Bridgerton... and show no mercy... Lol....
Im not a scholar but i noticed the variety of decade dress in the room of women meeting, and trying not to spoil the film, but i definitely saw it as a...like the variety, though historically inaccurate- it wouldn't be happening in the same room, was a physical representation of how long women have been fighting.
I read the book (yes they did book, aand I don't have Netflix) and I think Enolas mom have costumes for her personality not for era. And also in book the boy buy his clothes for not look rich.
I’m actually pretty sure the film is set in 1900s to late 1910s because the film mentioned the mother was a part of the suffragette movement in the UK? Might be wrong tho
I was very confused mainly because the whole "militant" feminist with the use of miniature bombs occured after around 1900. So I was kinda expecting the clothes to be Edwardian. But then Enola wore that red dress which screamed 19th century (1890s at best) with a neckline that would have at most be appropriate for a woman of age at evening party. That was confusing. Then, the style of the widows weeds was not common in Edwardian times really unless perhaps it was worn by a very old widow. And then Enola wears those loose simple clothes which were definitely Edwardian Middle Class. And I was like. OMG what time period is this happening 1900s or 1890s? I kinda like Helena Carter's outfit and especially her loose hair. It was more historically ambiguous as opposed to historically incorrect. The looseness kinda represents her liberal ideas.
I think the books are much more historicaly accurate. Side note: she doesn’t wear any boys clothes in the books. She thinks her brothers would be expecting that.
If the costumes sometimes go around 1880- an 1830 costume on an old lady might not be too bad. One thing I really loved from Mad Men was how they were good about what was in fashion- but not every character was wearing the fashionable thing. Some people had slightly older out of date clothes because they were poor and people who were older or more old fashioned might be favoring styles that looked more like what was in style maybe 10 years ago in their heyday. Look at how many moms spent years trying to get their daughters to buy those really ugly heavy duty round bras- because they were the closet thing to the bullet bras that had been popular when they were young
The 1st automobiles were invented around 1885, so late 1880s/early 1890s is a good guess. Older women wore clothes from prior years, but I agree there are glaring inconsistencies here. Would love to see you review the spandex gloves in Bridgerton!
I'm not a fashion historian at all, and even I thought the red dress looked weirdly risque for the time. Also you should do a costume review of the Canadian TV show "Road to Avonlea"!
I was a fan of the books as a child, and elaborate descriptions of clothing were actually a HUGE part of the series. Enola was meant to be a distinctly feminine detective who solved mysteries in distinctively feminine ways by using her knowlege of the language of flowers, the language of fans, her knowledge of clothing, etc. (as opposed to perpetual bachelor Sherlock). I don't know if this is historically accurate or not, but she makes a distinction between something she calls "tight-lacing" (and something called a spoon corset?) which is painful and oppresive and her regular corset which she uses to hold up her dress(bust enhancer, hip regulator), change people's impression of her age(through modifying her silhouette), and containing her rope/money/knives. Her corset even saves her from a garroting (because of a high collar). Enola actually does a lot to establish her various disguises, using false curls, broaches, certain fabrics and cuts, etc. I don't know the exact historical accuracy of the books, but clothing really was an essential piece of the story that I'm sad they didn't get quite right for the movies. Spoilers: There's actually a whole book centered around an old, oddly embroidered crinoline that was used to carry secret messages in the embroidery (during the Crimean war, I believe) and Enola knows that one of her friends is in trouble because she's wearing a sort of new restrictive bell-shaped skirt that doesn't fit with her personality at all. She also talks about clothing in relation to her mother(who was a feminist) and how bicycles and "walking dresses" allowed women more freedom of choice in their apparel.
I'm really new to this side of youtube, and it's very interesting to hear a formalist's view on how fashion in movies should be. I think it would serve you well though to have someone who is thinking more based on thematics as a choice for character design. If you can find a character concept artist to be in dialogue with, I think you could have some pretty interesting discussions, and come up with some interesting solutions to the problems the movies create. The specific character I'm thinking is the head mistress, you say you're confused about her silhouette because it's too straight and not curvy enough, but I can guess a character designer would pick that, as it shows her metaphorical rigidness in perspective. She isn't flexible like Enola or her mother, instead she has a very rigid way of thinking about the world. Anyways, I think if you find a character designer to bounce ideas off with, I think you could have some very interesting dialogue!
I guess what I mean is cocept artists often use shape to specifically distinguish characters from background characters. So the easiest way would be to draw from different eras, rather than putting them all in the same shapes.
i swear movies set past maybe the 20s have like. a general idea of what clothes looked like, in that they have a "fancy dress" and a corset and just fucking RUN with it. like my god gskfdshd like if you're not thinking about them in a historical sense, they're fun, but it really looks like they did the amount of research as like a 7th grader trying to do a report the night before its due sometimes (not talking about this movie specifically i just gdkfhgdhfg)
Actually for the elderly lady at 3:28 makes sense as they didn't buy clothes at the rhythm we do today, sometimes would keep only a couple of dresses for years. Ederly people prefer the style of when they were young. There are many early XXth, XIXth century footages on youtube it's really interesting
Question. The criticism on the older heavy-set women not having the hour glass figures. Do you really think that a large woman would have the hour glass figure even with a corset? I mean I'm older and heavy set and would need hydraulics to achieve that. Just wondering.
But was Enola young enough to have loose hair without being considered a "loose" girl? If I'm understanding right then you might be able to get away with that at 14, but not at 16 where you were basically marriageable age.
The thing with costumes is that people still owned and wore dresses that were 10 or more years behind popular fashion... so... yeh. So long as they aren’t ahead of their time it still fits the era Or mixing too many decades in one dress of course
It is not (and I guess never will be) officially confirmed, but it is estimated that Sherlock Holmes was born in 1859. Specifically, May 22. I've never watched Enola, but that's there for your curiosity.
I think the Headmistress of school is supposed to be stuck in the past both mentally and clothing wise. She doesn't seem like a person who would be wearing latest fashion.
i think the movie's time period given as the 19th century is really the point, similarly to how percy jackson is set "in the early 21st century" - the elements are indeed taken freely from the eras as the designers please, but i think it makes a point as a mainly kids' adventure film to do so
it's the year 1900. In the montage at the beginning of the movie where she says when she was born, it says 1884, and the movie starts on her 16th birthday.
I would love to see a video like this about Angelika, the french movie series from the 1960s, set in the mid-17th century. My family loves the movies a lot and there's quite a lot of costumes and learning more about the fashion and accuracy would be so cool. Plus the books are awesome and I am a literal fangirl, would geek out so much.
